David Deutsch's Staging Area

Summary
Good candidate race for a marathoner running their first downhill marathon and wanting a fast time. This inaugural race revealed several areas that ought to be improved IMO. Great runner support (fluids, porta potties) along the course and good post-race support. Generally not many spectators.

Registration/Communication
Generally good and frequent communication. Since this was the inaugural race, some communications weren’t tuned correctly (e.g., sending the bib number email without a bib number populated). The partner hotel list slowly grew over time after I registered: I wish that was settled once race registration opened so I had more options to chose from.

Expo
It was a 20 minute walk from the Downtown Grand (host) hotel. Easy bib pick up. The course overview presentation was very well done and highly recommended.

Race Mobile App
The Las Vegas Marathon mobile app itself provided little value unlike the content of more seasoned marathons (e.g., Twin Cities, Philly). They claimed if you ran with the mobile app, it would provide supplemental information on the area you were running through, but they also said it would drain the phone battery. I did not run with my phone so cannot verify either claim.

Course
1) The only timing mats I recall were at the start and finish lines.

2) This was a point-to-point race starting 6am from the parking lot of the Sandstone Quarry in Red Rock Canyon Scenic Drive. Runners were bussed to the start, choosing one of four bus times between 3am and 4am. Temps in Vegas were ~44 F and in the mountain upper 30s at the time of bussing. The winds in the canyon were impressive. My guess it was a 20 mph sustained NNW wind with higher gusts, and there was no shelter. Gear bags (for post race) were dropped off in Vegas before we entered the bus. We were allowed to bring drop clothes. The race did provide a mylar emergency blanket in the expo bag presumably for pre-race. People sat on the ground in the parking lot awaiting sunrise and race start (both 6am). It was quite a sight seeing all the huddled mylar-clad runners with the mylar thrashing in the wind. When the race started, runners dropped their mylar blankets and drop clothes in the parking lot. There were very few garbage cans or receptacles in the parking lot, and my fear is that the wind blew a lot of mylar and clothes into the pristine Red Rock Canyon. It will be interesting to see how that is addressed in the future, assuming the park allows them to start there again. During our wait, the race organizers played music and provided banter to keep runners excited and engaged.

3) There were a few portable flood lights used to illuminate the parking lot area, but more were needed IMO. Layout of the parking lot had volunteers filling water/gatorade cups in the back of the lot, but to get there you needed to step around people on the ground, cut across people in porta potty lines, and try not to trip over the cement parking slot bumpers (I don’t know what to call those) which were hard to see in the dark. There were 2000+ marathoners: Some opined the number of porta potties was insufficient for a group that size. FWIW, my wait in line was 20-25 minutes. I could not the pace group I was looking for as the wind blew over the markers identifying where each pace group was located and the mass of people prevented me from seeing any handheld sign.

4) The course itself was mostly downhill. The first 2 miles had the most significant drop and were very scenic. After mile 7 you are out of the scenic area and back into a city street environment. The course had an enjoyable, gentle decline down one long straight road (albeit one deviation miles 9-11). The last 6 miles were flat as you are in the downtown area at that point. We mostly had a crosswind on race day with short periods of running into the strong wind. Course support (water stops, traffic control) was very good. There were pockets of spectators along the course. Race finish was on Fremont Street and had a modest number of spectators.

Post Race
Ample snacks and fluids once you crossed the finish line. No mylar wraps were given out, probably because they were in the race packet and most used it for the start area. I don’t recall any porta-potties at the finish, but I wasn’t looking for one either. The post-chute runner recovery area was a confined space where runners collected themselves before venturing out into the public space. Big enough? Meh. The beer garden and gear pickup were about 6 blocks away.

This was a very nice small town race. As the race name suggests, for the half marathon there were 3 bridges we crossed over twice (due to the out-and-back nature of the course). The first bridge wasn’t very consequential but the second and third were. Attached is a photo on the return (mile 5ish) from the second bridge which was over the Waccamaw River. It’s not a small bridge but most seemed to manage it just fine. The third bridge was comparable in size if not slightly taller.

It was a beautiful day to run with temps in low 60s and sunny! It was easy to find street parking prior to the race and easy to pick up my bib just before the race. The town portions of the race were shaded, and I loved seeing the old 1840s-1850s mansions along the course. There were water stops and biffys about every 1,5 -2.5 miles, which was sufficient.

The race medal and T-shirt were good quality and nicely designed. Post race they gave out water, banana, bagel, and an orange. Beer was also available.

All in all, it’s a nice half marathon that I’d recommend running.

Pre-Race:
Race communication was very good leading into the race: emails were informative and timely. For those from out of town, a spaghetti dinner was available as an option Friday night before the marathon. The Expo was at Union Station and bib pickup was efficient. Parking passes were available so there was no cost for parking.

Race:
I’ve run a decent number of marathons and was impressed with the number of good sized hills in this one. Kudos to anyone who has PR’d on this course … impressive! That said, my time was decent for where my training was at, so don’t let the hills comment intimidate you. After seeing so many hills, I did have a favorite: Wyandotte St around mile 3.5 by the National WW1 Museum. The sun had recently risen highlighting the Kansas City skyline … beautiful!

We had great weather for this race. There were ample water stops with porta-potties. Great volunteers and police presence for traffic control. Spectators were enthusiastic and encouraging. I counted 3 informal beer stops along the way that neighbors had put out for those interested. I didn’t run with pacers but was in their midst at several points during the race. They also were an encouraging and experienced bunch with sage advice and perspective for those running with them. Kudos to them!

Post Race:
Water, banana, chips, and cookies along the exit chute. Beer and a BBQ sandwich along with entertainment were available for those who wanted to hang out after the race.

I ran the full despite not having a good winter training season in our brutal midwest winter this year. I performed better than expected. I recommend this race for it’s mostly flat course, great race communication, great execution, and ample swag. Volunteers and crowd support were wonderful. There are ample water stops. And the after party on the beach was a delight for me who came from Minnesnowta to run this. There are two parts of the course without much support because they are military bases: Fort Story and Camp Pendleton. There was a gradual hill to run up near Fort Story (miles 3-6) but it’s in a lovely wooded area to distract you. Winds were from the west and north 10-15 mph, but they didn’t impact the first part of the race like I thought they would since we started off running north. Temps started mid 50s and ended mid 60s, which was comfortable. If you’re on the fence about running this, I advise you to do it!

London is not flat: Granted it’s not hilly like Big Sur or Marine Corps, but it’s not level flat. This was my first covid-era marathon, so things were different from the 27 other marathons I’ve run. The course was crowded the entire way in the wave I was in. You needed to be mindful of others running in front of you who either slowed down or stopped or others who darted across your path. Water bottles vs cups were given at water stops, so running with that was different. Energy drinks were given only at miles 9, 15, and 21 which seemed fewer stops than other marathons I’ve run. The medal this year was ordinary with “26.2” printed on it and no image emblematic of London like in previous years. No snacks were given at the end of the race, only water and a sport drink. These were the concessions we made to run together again- not the end of the world. Crossing Tower Bridge was the highlight of the run for me: It was simply a magnificent structure basking in the sun! What I’ll also remember most is the outstanding encouragement and support from the spectators along the majority of the course. I can’t say enough positive things about them! My training this season was not as robust as other years, and I finished in my anticipated time range. In terms of swag, they consisted of a T-shirt and the medal. Medals were placed in your post-race bag which you dropped off at the Expo days before the race. I missed the ceremony of someone hanging it on your neck congratulating you, but that too was another concession for covid.

We lucked out with the weather!! We were told to prepare for any kind of weather and that it could change on a dime. Temps were about upper 20s to low 30s at the start (we saw frost along the drive to the start) and finished mid 40s F. I traveled with Marathon Tours who provided transportation from the hotel (where we finished) to the start line. We were able to stay on the bus until the race started. Sunny skies for most of the race. Winds were not nearly as bad as what we heard in the previous year. As I recall, it was only in the last 3 miles or so the winds picked up significantly. This was a marathon where I ran just to enjoy the scenery and ran without regard to time. I stopped to take many photos along the way.

I’d estimate there were ~200 marathoners. The field spread out over time so there were times I was running alone (enjoying the spectacular scenery!). The first 6 miles or so were packed gravel, and the last 2-3 miles were as well. The rest was paved road. I only had 1 stone in my shoe the entire run, so don’t let that concern you. There were sufficient water stops, as someone else had commented. You need to bring your own container for water as they don’t want paper cups littering the landscape. As I recall there was a porta-potty at only one water stop along the course. There were some at the start too. The mileage along the course was marked, however it was marking down distance to finish. The hills were impressive! I’m a decent hill runner and couldn’t make it up these. I’ve run 25 marathons before this and I’d say the course was most similar to Big Sur, another race with stunning scenery. The course is mostly straight, btw, so no chance of getting lost. As someone else commented, the only confusing part was the finish. You run onto the hotel property but don’t see the finish.
It could benefit from bigger signage and/or volunteers pointing where to go. Turns out the finish is in the back of the hotel out of view. The reception at the finish was lovely. The water stop volunteers were great too! Shout out to the Rio Serrano hotel where the race ended (and where I stayed). Outstanding property and staff!

The attached photo is from the start of the race, as we ran into a cloud.

At the end of the day the Boston marathon is a point-to-point marathon with a 480 ft net altitude change (decrease). In between the start and finish are a lot of hills. To do well on this course you need to not only train for hills but train for continuous hills (in my opinion). I’ve spoken with several and read many FB posts of those who ran the same race I did and the common theme was how this race can trash your quads long before you reach the finish line.

This was my first Boston marathon and a great experience all around. I’ve run 23 marathons before this so have some experience with knowing when a marathon is well-executed. I thought this one was well done. At the expo it was very easy to get your bib and shirt without being caught up in the whole expo floor. I appreciated the fact that when you received your packet (bib and shirt) they had a changing area nearby where you could try on your shirt and exchange it immediately if it didn’t fit right. (Ordinarily I get large shirts at races but the the Adidas large truly is large and I swapped for a medium. Same holds true for the celebration jacket and T shirts.)

There are many events going on around the marathon that didn’t seem well publicized. I did several internet searches to find various shake-out runs, meet and greets, and podcast recording sessions that I would not have known about just reading the BAA race material. I appreciated how the city embraced the marathon with yellow and blue decorations everywhere. I loved my morning runs along the Charles River.

As for the race itself, I traveled using the services of Marathon Tours. As such my experience differs from most others. I stayed 3 blocks from the finish line at a hotel connected to the Expo. We had our own dinner vs the BAA-sponsored one. We had a private coach transportation to the start line on race day which enabled us to stay on the bus vs spend time in Athletes Village in rainy conditions. My bus left the finish line at 7am and arrived at the start line around 8am. My wave didn’t start until 11am. That is the largest wait I’ve ever had for any marathon including Big Sur. My walk to the start line was entirely on asphalt vs walking thru mud. (I treated this as if it was my only time I’ll ever qualify for Boston so was willing to spend extra for comfort and convenience.)

The race course itself was the most challenging I’ve run due to the continuous hills. I was undertrained going into the race (work schedule, long cold snowy miserable midwestern winter) and had no illusions of setting a PR: My goals were just to make it to the finish and enjoy the run. One favorite memory of the race was in the middle of the first mile when we were headed downhill and there weren’t any spectators at that point. No one was saying a word and all your heard were hundreds of running shoes gliding off the ground. It sounded like a flock of birds. The entire race flew by quickly. The fan support along the course was unparalleled for their enthusiastic cheering. You are running down a two lane road many times and the intimacy of having the spectators so near was energizing. There are water stops every mile (except mile 2) so that also made the time seem to go by fast if you have the perspective of running in the mile you are in. Kudos to the volunteers along the course! One thing I noted along the course is that this is the first time I’ve run a marathon where there wasn’t any wait at the port-o-potties: I guess everyone was in a rush to finish!

I was in Wave 3 and when I started we had overcast skies and about 60 degrees. About an hour into the run the sun broke out and I heard temps climbed to 70 (and humid). These were tough running conditions because there isn’t much shade on the course. I found myself dumping water over my head frequently to help regulate my temperature. My quads were sore but I was still able to climb the hills. Someone advised me not to charge the hills because there are just too many of them, so I held back: Usually I love hills! Around mile 24.6 my right leg cramped up bad. I needed to massage it out and a spectator provided some water as I took some Endurolyte. From that point on I decided to jog it in vs risk another cramp. In my last mile the rain started and by the time I got to the finish it was raining harder with blustery, colder winds. I crossed the finish line and patted myself on the back. I appreciated the mylar wrap and the fact that the post race snacks were already bagged so I didn’t need to juggle things in my hands.

In summary, it was a great experience. I’m grateful to the coordinators, volunteers, spectators, and running community for making this such a premier event. The course was hard by my standards. I’ve never been this sore after a race (granted my lack of usual conditioning probably affected that.) It’s an expensive trip too in that hotel and transportation rates are higher and the jacket, etc all add up. That said if you qualify for this, you have to run it as your reward.

I ran this race yesterday (Sat, 11/10/2018). It was my 23rd marathon but first time running this one. This was also my third marathon in three months so I ran this one “for fun” and wasn’t concerned about my finish time.

Expo:
They ran a free and frequent shuttle bus from downtown to the expo – very much appreciated! They offered a free bus tour of the course which I found worthwhile and helpful. Upon return I went to the expo that was well attended with vendors. I picked up my bib at the expo. After browsing around I found they had another aisle where drop bags and shirts were given out. If I hadn’t stumbled upon it, I wouldn’t have gotten those things. It seemed a little odd to me the bibs and shirts weren’t collocated. On the shuttle ride to the expo I learned from another runner there was a 3 mile shakeout run downtown earlier that Friday morning that I missed. I didn’t see that in the events calendar else I would have gone.

Race:
Race start was fine. There were ample water stops and restrooms along the course. Later in the course there were two junk food stops that I recall:
I noticed Skittles, gummi bears, M&Ms (plain and peanut). Great volunteers throughout! Cheer zones were well attended and did themselves proud! The route was mostly asphalt with cement on bridges obviously. The course had variety with hills, flats, neighborhoods, mansions, roads along the river, and the long bridge into Richmond. The day I ran temps were mid 40s with a 10-20 mph wind from the north which was unpleasant, though I felt I was sufficiently dressed for it. Finally the last ~0.5+ mile of the race is downhill that I admittedly grimaced through because my legs were beat.

Once you cross the finish line you are given a finisher hat and the fleece blanket. The food tent was fine. Entertainment was good. At the massage tent I waited an hour before my turn, but it was worth it. Thank you to the student volunteers who worked there!

All in all it was a good course and a well-planned event. I recommend it.

This is my second time running Lake Wobegon. We had a perfect running day: overcast skies with temps starting in the 40s rising into 60s. I PR’d and BQ’d on this one! This is a small town race with at most 450 runners and executed with a lot of heart. Random thoughts:
– Cost is only $60 if you register by the end of Sept. That’s a steal these days! Cost doubles after that.
– This is a point to point race. Buses take you from the race finish to the race start only before the race (and not after the race).
– The starting location is a high school where you have warm shelter in a large gym. Don’t let a cold MN spring morning scare you away!
– You might consider bringing your own drop bag. I found the one provided this year a little too small to hold my thick sweats so improvised with another bag I brought. Granted we staged in a warm gym so maybe I didn’t need all that.
– If you enjoy bucolic scenery this is the race for you! You are running along farmland, lakes, woods, and small towns. I love it!
– The asphalt trails are in very good condition.
– There aren’t a lot of spectators along the course but those who appear a few times along the course are enthusiastic (as are the cows and sheep).
– There is a timing mat at the start and at the end of the race: I don’t recall any other mats recording splits if that matters to you.
– There are mile markers along the course. My total distance (as well as many I ran with) was around 26.4. There aren’t many turns in this course per se: Mostly it’s running tangents along the trail you need to keep in mind.
– The course has a few gradual uphills and downhills. If you require courses with more variety (e.g., rolling hills, large downhill finish) this is probably not the race for you.
– Water stops are about every 3 miles. Sometimes there aren’t many volunteers at these stops so you need to help yourself to the cups on the table instead of being handed them. And don’t expect the long water stops you see at larger marathons. Here there might be just one table on one side of the trail.
– The volunteers facilitating the race are a joy to work with. Good people!
– The prerace pasta dinner at the local church is done from the heart and meets the need.
– The postrace pizza, drinks, and snacks are a nice way to wind down.
– It is worth noting this race has pacers at BQ standard time AND a few minutes UNDER BQ (this year it was 4 min due to the shifting BQ delta). In the 18 marathons I’ve run I’m hard-pressed to think of any other race that does this. I cannot give enough praise to the awesome pacer I ran with!

Berlin is a great city to visit! For that reason alone this is a great destination marathon. I’ve run the Chicago marathon before and use that as my baseline to compare against since the number of runners is similar. Overall I thought the Berlin organizers could learn a lot from how things flow at the Chicago marathon. That said I don’t know the constraints the Berlin organizers are under.

I went to the Expo Friday early afternoon and it was very crowded. At the entrance to the Expo they even separated runners from non-runners at bib pick up to help alleviate the congestion. What was unique at bib pick up was that they print your bib on-the-spot. I haven’t seen that before, but it meant you could enter any (marathon) line to get your bib. To get your (finisher) shirt you needed to travel to a different part of the Expo through crowds of people. One would think this could be optimized. I felt guilty getting a finisher shirt days before running the race: It should be earned.

The Saturday shake out run to Olympic Stadium was nice and had many nationalities represented. Entering Olympic Stadium, seeing where the Olympic torch was and seeing the Olympic rings was inspirational. Partaking in the light breakfast they offered afterward wasn’t very orderly as people seemed to rush the food stands. “Crowds” was going to be the theme of this weekend.

The race was Sunday, the same day as national elections. I was a little out of sorts because the map of the starting area didn’t show the bag drop off area. Textually they described it was near the start of each corral but I would have liked the visual as well printed on the map. I don’t want to leave things to Fate on race day morning and like to have things planned out. People did bring “drop” clothes to wear in the corrals. I mention that because I saw someone’s Facebook post weeks earlier stating drop clothes weren’t allowed (not true).

There were 3 waves for approx 40,000 runners. I started among Wave 2 near the 4:30 pacers. It seemed there was always a wall of people in front of me throughout the entire race. For that reason I didn’t feel I could “race” this … it would have involved weaving in and out of people probably the entire race. I finished 4:08 which was pretty reasonable for me. Another person in my group ran with Wave 1 and finished 3:23. He commented he wasn’t as blocked in as I described and he could race it. I guess it all depends where you start. On that note, the corral you start in is based on your marathon best from the past 3 years. Corral placement is not based on what you anticipate running which is how some other marathons do it. That said there were a complement of pacers in each of the three waves, e,g, 3:45,4:00, etc hour pacers in each of the waves.

Along the course I thought there was good crowd support and cheering. The volunteers were great. Water stops seemed to creep up on me. Better visual cues that a water stop is coming would be appreciated. Water stops later in the race had tea as well, sometimes comfortably warm which was welcome on this day. The plastic cups used at the water stops were hard to work with while running: I prefer paper cups that you can fold and drink on the run.

I was perhaps too focused on my running to notice the landmarks we passed. The roads would widen and narrow at times and I wanted to anticipate how I’d merge into the crowd of runners. Road conditions were pretty good overall but you did want to watch you step. Running through the Brandenburg Gate to the finish was pretty cool.

There were several who traveled with me to run this race. We compared the distances on our running watches at the end. The mileage varied from 26.4 miles to 26.9 miles.

This was my 14th marathon but first time running Big Sur. What a breathtaking course this was! There are many hills on this course, but if you incorporate hill workouts into your training you will be fine. Don’t be intimidated by them. Our weather was sunny, ranging from mid 40s to low 60s. Some parts of the course had wind gusts, but they were manageable. Every mile was marked with an entertaining sign. There were several bands along the course playing a variety of music. Water stops along the way were well done. Overall a well-coordinated race. I appreciated the group entry lottery option (despite not winning). I encourage others to enter the subsequent lotteries (individual and last chance) if you don’t get in with the group lottery. The Expo was average size and functional. It wasn’t clear until we got to the Expo that the morning bus tickets to the start line are timed, so if you are with a group make sure you all get the same bus time (and bus starting location).